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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 20:43:06 PST
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Info-Hams Digest            Mon, 15 Nov 93       Volume 93 : Issue 1352

Today's Topics:
                             A/D for DSP
                  Elmers are dead, god help us HAMS!
                           FT727 Schematic
                Guide to the Personal Radio Newsgroups
                          ORBS$316.2L.AMSAT
                  RS FREQ COUNTER HOLD MOD!!!!!!!!!
                      SAREX Keps & Update 10/28
                      STUCK KEY -- turn it off?
                      Telescoping antenna on HT
                            The firestorm

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Date: 15 Nov 93 23:18:01 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: A/D for DSP
To: [e-mail]

Text item: Text_1

In the Nov QST, page 79, some specs are given for the TRFT-550
Backpacker II transceiver. The blocking dynamic range is 100 db
and the two-tone intermod distortion dynamic range is 81 db.  Is
this enough information to answer the following question?

If one were trying to do some state-of-the-art Digital Signal
Processing on the audio from this direct-conversion receiver, how
many bits of A/D would one need?

Thanks and 73, Cecil, [e-mail] (I do not speak for Intel)

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 04:37:27 GMT
From: mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!csn!hellgate.utah.edu!math.utah.edu!cosmic.physics.utah.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Elmers are dead, god help us HAMS!
To: [e-mail]

Hi,

I have received several responses to my earlier post and feel that
I need to correct and clarify a few points.

First, I apologise for the old farts comments.  Just as not all
of us new hams are ignorant, not all older hams are old farts.

I do apologise for this.  I had ment to make the point that
new hams seem to be looked down on by the ham community as a
whole.

Second, several people have commented on my tech license plus
transmission on HF bands.  I have NOT done this except in
the company of a HAM with the appropriate license.  This was
also ment to make a point however in the heat of the moment
I seem to have mis-quoted myself.  I have the utmost respect
for the rules of amature radio and would never intentionaly
violate them.

Most of your responses have been very positive,  thanks for
all the replies and I look forward to discussing this issue
in more detail.  I don't believe in complaining about a problem
without working towards a solution.  I hope that all of us
in this news group can work together and make this aspect
of the hobby as informative and fun as possible.  The internet
is a powerful medium for the excange of ideas.  I would hope
that in this group we can use it this way and not turn it
into a huge international flame war.  I Look forward to hearing
from everyone out there in internet land.

Chris Levin (KB7YOU)
[e-mail]

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Date: 16 Nov 93 02:54:24 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: FT727 Schematic
To: [e-mail]

I am in search of a schematic for a YAESU FT727.  Please mail me
directly if you can help.  Thank you for your help in advance.


Name:  Lesa Skipper
Call:  KB5GMW
Land Line:  405-524-9222
Internet: [e-mail]



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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 12:00:25 GMT
From: nevada.edu!news.unomaha.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Guide to the Personal Radio Newsgroups
To: [e-mail]

Posted-By: auto-faq 2.4
Archive-name: radio/personal-intro
Revision: 1.5 09/18/93 16:49:31
Changes: new mailing lists, .packet rmgroup, and .policy updates

(Note:  The following is reprinted with the permission of the author.)

This message describes the rec.radio.amateur.*, rec.radio.cb, rec.radio.info,
and rec.radio.swap newsgroups. It is intended to serve as a guide for the new
reader on what to find where. Questions and comments may be directed to the
author, Jay Maynard, K5ZC, by Internet electronic mail at
[e-mail]. This message was last changed on 18 September
1993 to add the mailing lists for the new rec.radio.amateur newsgroups, to
note the rmgroup of rec.radio.amateur.packet, and to officially retire some
(in)famous threads of discussion on rec.radio.amateur.policy.

History
=======

Way back when, before there was a Usenet, the Internet hosted a mailing list
for hams, called (appropriately enough) INFO-HAMS. Ham radio discussions
were held on the mailing list, and sent to the mailboxes of those who had
signed up for it. When the Usenet software was created, and net news as we
now know it was developed, a newsgroup was created for hams: net.ham-radio.
The mailing list and the newsgroup were gatewayed together, eventually.

As the net grew, and as packet radio came into vogue, packet discussion began
to dominate other topics in the group and on the list. This resulted in the
logical solution: a group was created to hold the packet discussion, and
another corresponding mailing list was created as well: net.ham-radio.packet
and PACKET-RADIO, respectively.

These two groups served for several years, and went through Usenet's Great
Renaming essentially unchanged, moving from net.ham-radio[.packet] to
rec.ham-radio[.packet]. Readership and volume grew with the rest of the
network.

The INFO-HAMS mailing list was originally run from a US Army computer at
White Sands Missile Range, SIMTEL20. There were few problems with this
arrangement, but one was that the system was not supposed to be used for
commercial purposes. Since one of hams' favorite pastimes is swapping
gear, it was natural for hams to post messages about equipment for sale
to INFO-HAMS/rec.ham-radio. This ran afoul of SIMTEL20's no-commercial-use
restriction, and after some argument, a group was created specifically
for messages like that: rec.ham-radio.swap. This group wasn't gatewayed to
a mailing list, thus avoiding problems.

While all this was happening, other folks wanted to discuss other aspects
of the world of radio than the personal communications services. Those
folks created the rec.radio.shortwave and rec.radio.noncomm newsgroups,
and established the precedent of the rec.radio.* hierarchy, which in turn
reflected Usenet's overall trend toward a hierarchical name structure.

The debate between proponents of a no-code ham radio license and its opponents
grew fierce and voluminous in late 1989 and 1990. Eventually, both sides grew
weary of the debate, and those who had not been involved even more so. A
proposal for a newsgroup dedicated to licensing issues failed. A later
proposal was made for a group that would cover the many recurring legal issues
discussions. During discussion of the latter proposal, it became clear that it
would be desirable to fit the ham radio groups under the rec.radio.*
hierarchy. A full-blown reorganization was passed by Usenet voters in January
1991, leading to the overall structure we now use.

After the reorganization, more and more regular information postings began to
appear, and were spread out across the various groups in rec.radio.*. Taking
the successful example of the news.answers group, where informational postings
from across the net are sent, the group rec.radio.info was created in
December, 1992, with Mark Salyzyn, VE6MGS, initially serving as moderator.

In January, 1993, many users started complaining about the volume in
rec.radio.amateur.misc. This led to a discussion about a second
reorganization, which sparked the creation of a mailing list by Ian Kluft,
KD6EUI. This list, which was eventually joined by many of the most prolific
posters to the ham radio groups, came up with a proposal to add 11 groups to
the rec.radio.amateur hierarchy in April 1993. The subsequent vote, held in
May and early June, approved the creation of five groups:
rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc (to replace .packet), .equipment, .homebrew,
.antenna, and .space.

The Current Groups
==================

I can hear you asking, "OK, so this is all neat history, but what does it
have to do with me now?" The answer is that the history of each group has
a direct bearing on what the group is used for, and what's considered
appropriate where.

The easy one is rec.radio.amateur.misc. It is what rec.ham-radio was renamed
to during the reorganization. Any message that's not more appropriate in one
of the other groups belongs here, from contesting to DX to ragchewing on VHF
to information on becoming a ham.

The group rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc is for discussions related to
(surprise!) digital amateur radio. This doesn't have to be the common
two-meter AX.25 variety of packet radio, either; some of the most
knowledgeable folks in radio digital communications can be found here, and
anything in the general area is welcome. The name was changed to emphasize
this, and to encourage discussion not only of other text-based digital modes,
such as AMTOR, RTTY, and Clover, but things like digital voice and video as
well. The former group, rec.radio.amateur.packet, should be removed by
September 21st, 1993. It is obsolete, and you should use .digital.misc
instead (or the appropriate new mailing list, mentioned below).  The group
has .misc as part of the name to allow further specialization if the users
wish it, such as .digital.tcp-ip.

The swap group is now rec.radio.swap. This recognizes a fact that became
evident shortly after the original group was formed: Hams don't just swap ham
radio gear, and other folks besides hams swap ham equipment. If you have radio
equipment, or test gear, or computer stuff that hams would be interested in,
here's the place. Equipment wanted postings belong here too. Discussions about
the equipment generally don't; if you wish to discuss a particular posting
with the buyer, email is a much better way to do it, and the other groups,
especially .equipment and .homebrew, are the place for public discussions.
There is now a regular posting with information on how to go about buying and
selling items in rec.radio.swap; please refer to it before you post there.

The first reorganization added two groups to the list, one of which is
rec.radio.amateur.policy. This group was created as a place for all the
discussions that seem to drag on interminably about the many rules,
regulations, legalities, and policies that surround amateur radio, both
existing and proposed.  Recent changes to the Amateur Radio Rules (FCC
Part 97) have finally laid to rest the Great Usenet Pizza Autopatch Debate
as well as complaints about now-preempted local scanner laws hostile to
amateurs, but plenty of discussion about what a bunch of rotten no-goodniks
the local frequency coordinating body is, as well as the neverending no-code
debate, may still be found here.

The other added group is rec.radio.cb. This is the place for all discussion
about the Citizens' Band radio service. Such discussions have been very
inflammatory in rec.ham-radio in the past; please do not cross-post to both
rec.radio.cb and rec.radio.amateur.* unless the topic is genuinely of interest
to both hams and CBers - and very few topics are.

The rec.radio.info group is just what its name implies: it's the place where
informational messages from across rec.radio.* may be found, regardless of
where else they're posted. As of this writing, information posted to the group
includes Cary Oler's daily solar progagation bulletins, ARRL bulletins, the
Frequently Asked Questions files for the various groups, and radio
modification instructions. This group is moderated, so you cannot post to it
directly; if you try, even if your message is crossposted to one of the other
groups, your message will be mailed to the moderator, who is currently Mark
Salyzyn, VE6MGS. The email address for submissions to the group is
[e-mail]. Inquires and other administrivia should be
directed to [e-mail]. For more information about
rec.radio.info, consult the introduction and posting guidelines that are
regularly posted to that newsgroup.

The groups rec.radio.amateur.antenna, .equipment, .homebrew, and .space are
for more specialized areas of ham radio: discussions about antennas,
commercially-made equipment, homebrewing, and amateur radio space operations.
The .equipment group is not the place for buying or selling equipment; that's
what rec.radio.swap is for. Similarly, the .space group is specifically about
amateur radio in space, such as the OSCAR program and SAREX, the Shuttle
Amateur Radio EXperiment; other groups cover other aspects of satellites and
space. Homebrewing isn't about making your own alcoholic beverages at home
(that's rec.crafts.brewing), but rather construction of radio and electronic
equipment by the amateur experimenter.

Except for rec.radio.swap and rec.radio.cb, all of these newsgroups are
available by Internet electronic mail in digest format; send a mail message
containing "help" on a line by itself to [e-mail] for instructions
on how to use the mail server.

All of the groups can be posted to by electronic mail, though, by using a
gateway at the University of Texas at Austin. To post a message this way,
change the name of the group you wish to post to by replacing all of the '.'s
with '-'s - for example, rec.radio.swap becomes rec-radio-swap - and send to
that [e-mail] ([e-mail], for example). You may
crosspost by including multiple addresses as Cc: entries (but see below). This
gateway's continued availability is at the pleasure of the admins at
UT-Austin, and is subject to going away at any time - and especially if
forgeries and other net.abuses become a problem. You have been warned.

A Few Words on Crossposting
===========================

Please do not crosspost messages to two or more groups unless there is genuine
interest in both groups in the topic being discussed, and when you do, please
include a header line of the form "Followup-To: group.name" in your article's
headers (before the first blank line). This will cause followups to your
article to go to the group listed in the Followup-To: line. If you wish
to have replies to go to you by email, rather than be posted, use the word
"poster" instead of the name of a group. Such a line appears in the headers
of this article.

One of the few examples of productive cross-posting is with the rec.radio.info
newsgroup. To provide a filtered presentation of information articles, while
still maintaining visibility in their home newsgroups, the moderator strongly
encourages cross-posting. All information articles should be submitted to the
rec.radio.info moderator so that he may simultaneously cross-post your
information to the appropriate newsgroups. Most newsreaders will only present
the article once, and network bandwidth is conserved since only one article is
propagated. If you make regular informational postings, and have made
arrangements with the moderator to post directly to the group, please
cross-post as appropriate.

--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
[e-mail]      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
      "If my car ran OS/2, it'd be there by now" -- bumper sticker
                 GCS d++ p+ c++ l+ m+/- s/++ g++ w++ t+ r

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU

[e-mail]

Celebrating 60 years of the Univ. of Maryland ARA - W3EAX (1933-1993)

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Date: 15 Nov 93 18:43:00 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: ORBS$316.2L.AMSAT
To: [e-mail]

SB KEPS @ AMSAT  $ORBS-316.N
2Line Orbital Elements 316.AMSAT

HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR AMATEUR SATELLITES IN NASA FORMAT
FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX November 12, 1993
BID: $ORBS-316.N

DECODE 2-LINE ELSETS WITH THE FOLLOWING KEY:
1 AAAAAU 00  0  0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB  .CCCCCCCC  00000-0  00000-0 0  DDDZ
2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ
KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN
G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM

TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT

AO-10
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2 14129  27.1748 358.4423 6020940 126.4893 305.1053  2.05881853 78069
UO-11
1 14781U 84021B   93313.58249069  .00000229  00000-0  42927-4 0  6110
2 14781  97.7981 333.4777 0010810 254.3694 105.6328 14.69080500518069
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87054A   93314.04939054  .00000017  00000-0  11670-4 0  8119
2 18129  82.9214 130.8225 0010360 275.4234  84.5738 13.72325356319844
AO-13
1 19216U 88051B   93313.91272759 -.00000211  00000-0  10000-4 0  8126
2 19216  57.8912 284.9332 7213964 328.0558   3.5561  2.09724845 41418
FO-20
1 20480U 90013C   93310.07362541 -.00000005  00000-0  14874-4 0  6071
2 20480  99.0217 139.2984 0541030 125.0547 240.2545 12.83221816175512
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A   93314.29055835  .00000084  00000-0  82657-4 0  3674
2 21087  82.9398 304.7020 0035176 337.0887  22.8703 13.74528243139502
RS-12/13
1 21089U 91007A   93313.61484132  .00000056  00000-0  53208-4 0  6119
2 21089  82.9251 174.2800 0030580   1.6907 358.4344 13.74029689138495
ARSENE
1 22654U 93031B   93312.79592387 -.00000046  00000-0  10000-3 0  2081
2 22654   1.4077 114.0599 2932748 160.6003 214.5238  1.42203069  2633
UO-14
1 20437U 90005B   93314.26240544  .00000128  00000-0  57654-4 0  9113
2 20437  98.6068  36.8706 0011455 111.4215 248.8190 14.29802927198303
AO-16
1 20439U 90005D   93314.25650448  .00000093  00000-0  43829-4 0  7110
2 20439  98.6135  37.8762 0011873 112.5374 247.7066 14.29859897198314
DO-17
1 20440U 90005E   93314.72182474  .00000108  00000-0  49637-4 0  7113
2 20440  98.6156  38.5937 0011919 110.1078 250.1390 14.29997154198392
WO-18
1 20441U 90005F   93314.27363549  .00000092  00000-0  43527-4 0  7123
2 20441  98.6152  38.1661 0012426 111.7995 248.4510 14.29974899198337
LO-19
1 20442U 90005G   93314.26623889  .00000107  00000-0  48991-4 0  7115
2 20442  98.6160  38.3657 0012902 111.6029 248.6529 14.30067157198345
UO-22
1 21575U 91050B   93313.78644466  .00000117  00000-0  46604-4 0  4111
2 21575  98.4598  27.4629 0006935 224.2634 135.7989 14.36863544121573
KO-23
1 22077U 92052B   93314.21490842  .00000000  00000-0  10000-3 0  3084
2 22077  66.0804  18.4482 0004639 338.0608  22.0210 12.86281812 58628
AO-27
1 22825U 93061C   93305.38322237  .00000057  00000-0  31218-4 0  2082
2 22825  98.6783  18.2116 0008754 149.2634 210.9045 14.27587035  5170
IO-26
1 22826U 93061D   93305.66096033  .00000076  00000-0  39017-4 0  2093
2 22826  98.6791  18.4934 0009019 149.5441 210.6266 14.27689613  5227
KO-25
1 22830U 93061H   93314.69145093  .00000111  00000-0  52532-4 0  2112
2 22830  98.5800  27.0255 0012337  94.9544 265.3046 14.28015541  6518
NOAA-9
1 15427U 84123A   93300.72651427  .00000099  00000-0  62608-4 0  6087
2 15427  99.0865 343.0970 0014906 151.8994 208.2999 14.13555759457494
NOAA-10
1 16969U 86073A   93308.02577200  .00000107  00000-0  53892-4 0  5086
2 16969  98.5151 318.8770 0012448 270.5362  89.4395 14.24841200370532
MET-2/17
1 18820U 88005A   93313.86326152  .00000060  00000-0  48384-4 0  2105
2 18820  82.5401  83.0499 0017920  77.7053 282.6113 13.84696783292003
MET-3/2
1 19336U 88064A   93313.98312645  .00000043  00000-0  10000-3 0  2102
2 19336  82.5385 118.8020 0017396  88.4059 271.9055 13.16962219254409
NOAA-11
1 19531U 88089A   93307.95823027  .00000139  00000-0  84844-4 0  4080
2 19531  99.1482 286.6377 0012789  46.5585 313.6658 14.12928630263406
MET-2/18
1 19851U 89018A   93314.44174536  .00000042  00000-0  31952-4 0  2111
2 19851  82.5186 318.3186 0015511 116.9458 243.3286 13.84348503237428
MET-3/3
1 20305U 89086A   93313.78275180  .00000043  00000-0  10000-3 0  9124
2 20305  82.5475  62.1477 0016698 110.3082 249.9836 13.16023732194255
MET-2/19
1 20670U 90057A   93314.71352062  .00000015  00000-0  79036-5 0  7110
2 20670  82.5501  22.0091 0017060  42.7604 317.4880 13.84180249170390
FY-1/2
1 20788U 90081A   93314.27490495  .00000352  00000-0  25587-3 0  8161
2 20788  98.8528 336.2622 0014224 264.8255  95.1288 14.01329924163048
MET-2/20
1 20826U 90086A   93314.40511387  .00000040  00000-0  31266-4 0  7107
2 20826  82.5262 320.0564 0012856 307.6374  52.3617 13.83563412157505
MET-3/4
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2 21232  82.5434 326.2919 0013431  27.8915 332.2926 13.16456437122196
NOAA-12
1 21263U 91032A   93308.09045315  .00000189  00000-0  93717-4 0  8155
2 21263  98.6458 335.5750 0012543 165.4607 194.6943 14.22328054128523
MET-3/5
1 21655U 91056A   93313.85451209  .00000043  00000-0  10000-3 0  6115
2 21655  82.5506 271.6301 0014550  26.1377 334.0477 13.16825241107591
MET-2/21
1 22782U 93055A   93314.66191362  .00000093  00000-0  79632-4 0  2106
2 22782  82.5507  19.6100 0023265 115.4347 244.9226 13.82991020  9889
MIR
1 16609U 86017A   93314.97077396  .00004226  00000-0  55300-4 0  5720
2 16609  51.6183 202.0455 0005693  23.2148 336.9078 15.59529397 30542
HUBBLE
1 20580U 90037B   93307.41913862  .00000906  00000-0  78090-4 0  3593
2 20580  28.4692 246.8298 0004679  70.9135 289.1966 14.92902547192330
GRO
1 21225U 91027B   93314.39830284  .00016953  00000-0  18182-3 0  2202
2 21225  28.4634 313.5049 0075239   9.9355 350.2723 15.58504747 23130
UARS
1 21701U 91063B   93309.31219655 -.00002650  00000-0 -22264-3 0  4119
2 21701  56.9841 336.0504 0005602  88.9850 271.1633 14.96217444117417
POSAT
1 22829U 93 61  G 93289.11726978  .00000072  00000-0  37231-4 0  2042
2 22829  98.6763   2.0610 0010043 184.4594 175.6498 14.27975951  2862
/EX

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Date: 15 Nov 93 19:15:32 GMT
From: yuma![e-mail]
Subject: RS FREQ COUNTER HOLD MOD!!!!!!!!!
To: [e-mail]

How to add a hold function to the Radio Shack RF Frequency Counter:

Ground TP 17.  In the schematic, TP17 is pin one of U3, connected to
+5V thru a 47k resistor.  On the circuit board, TP17 is on the display
side, just right of the lower-right corner of the IC.  Grounds are about
1/4 inch below and to the right, the three non-tinned points in the large
area of metal.  TP17 is the tinned pad next to a SM resistor marked '473'
for 47k.

I rigged a momentary switch to ground TP17 thru a 1k resistor (you never
can tell) and it works just fine!  I drilled a small hole to mount the switch
just above the plastic depression so I could push the button with my right
thumb.  A small toggle switch would fit.

I'll be trying the other TP's to see what wonderful things RS didn't put
on the front.

Galen, KF0YJ

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Date: 15 Nov 93 17:56:23 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: SAREX Keps & Update 10/28
To: [e-mail]

My sincerest congratulations to NASA and the STS-58 flight crew for their
outstanding performance in setting a new flight duration record.
Unfortunatly I have not been able to hear the shuttle on the advertised
frequencies for many weeks now.




If we can't fix this, can someone at least post instructions telling those
of us who want off this ride, how we can unsubscribe for now then
subscribe back in a few months? I can always delete messages, but this is
nonsense.


********************************************************************
Tim Baggett, AA5DF                    Electrical Engineering Student
                                      New Mexico State University
Internet: [e-mail]
AMPR: [e-mail]           US Snail: 1970 Buchanan Avenue
Twisted Pair: [phone]                    Las Cruces, NM 88001
********************************************************************

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Date: 15 Nov 93 15:02:34 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: STUCK KEY -- turn it off?
To: [e-mail]

I've received this message 45 times today
and most every day since Oct 28.

-- isn't 10/28 over yet?


> Subject: SAREX Keps & Update 10/28
> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 93 01:09:40 UTC
> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 21:42:59 UTC
> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 20:47:48 UTC
> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 19:58:49 UTC
> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 18:44:09 UTC
> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 17:44:47 UTC
> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 15:44:50 UTC
> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 14:44:51 UTC
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> Subject: SAREX Keps & Update 10/28

... and ON and ON ......   :-(

Can the sender please unstick his sending key?

Paul Marsh   N0ZAU  Omaha

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Date: 15 Nov 93 15:41:24 GMT
From: ogicse!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex![e-mail]
Subject: Telescoping antenna on HT
To: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>In article <2bu1v5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>
>>Can I expect better results with a collapsed antenna vs a rubber duck?

Probably not.

>HTs are designed to work into horrible SWRs because they don't have
>a groundplane, your hand is it, and the ducky is a poor antenna as
>well. Still, a collapsed rod antenna isn't going to be very efficient.
>It won't hurt the radio to use the rod antenna collapsed, but it won't
>help your signal.

Gary speaks the truth.  The collapsed telescoping antenna won't be any
worse than a duck.  By the way, I'm extremely happy with my AEA Hotrod
antenna on my HT.

David

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Date: 15 Nov 93 20:47:00 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: The firestorm
To: [e-mail]

Well, the last pair of messages on the unstoppable STS-58 flight
messages forced me to laugh aloud. Not so much their content, but
the fact that we seem to have built a structure here (Internet/
mail-lists/Packet/Gateways) that has taken on a life of its own.

First of all, let's not take this TOO seriously. Yes, it is a problem,
but I am "forced" to waste about 1 minute of time each day, looking at
the subject lines and deleting those messages right away.

Secondly, it seems to me that some sort of original message ID
should be available that could be archived at a mail list site. This
list of previously-posted messages could be used to prevent multiple
broadcasts (e.g., the STS-58 Keps 10/28) without restricting
posting access to a few individuals. If we are going to modify the
software, why not in this way rather than locking up the gate?

All in all, this sort of behavior is VERY instructive and should be
discussed in the meeting forums of the Packet BBS, list-server and
Gateway folks. Let's not waste the opportunity to make the overall
system better in the future through analysis of what has happened
(and is happening!) here.

--Paul Beckmann
  AMSAT member
  WA0RSE

P.S. What is a 'bogon', Tom?

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Date: 15 Nov 93 19:57:21 GMT
From: organpipe.uug.arizona.edu!helium![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <2bp64b$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: 80m on 20m dipole

In article <[e-mail]>,
jeffrey.n.jones <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gordon Couger) writes:
>>>>loss  it is likely to put RF in the shack. The only way to fix this is
>>>This has not been my experience. I say the benefits of open wire/ladder line
>>>far outweighs its disadvantages. There seems to be a lot of fear about this
>>>stuff.
>
>Or what you could do is use coax from your rig to the outside of your shack
>and then use a 1:1 current balun to interface the coax to the ladder line.
>
Jeff, I tried one of these current baluns from Radio Works - they call it the   Remote Balun - and it got quite hot from my 100 watts (the balun is rated 1.5   KW). The idea was to replace the puny voltage balun in my MFJ-948 tuner, as it
couldn't handle severe mismatches. The result was a steadily climbing SWR. The
Radio Works balun did no better. The solution? I replaced the MFJ balun with
one I made myself with two glued-together Amidon ferrite cores: FT-140-61, and  wound #18 thermaleze wire in the same configuration as that on the MFJ core.

Howard     [e-mail]

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Date: 15 Nov 93 14:41:08 GMT
From: das.wang.com!wang![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <2bqons$[e-mail]>, <2c0c4v$[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: Fun with Radio Shack

[e-mail] (CONTRACTOR Steven G. Berman;WR-ALC/LKS) writes:

>... What I did was wait
>until I had a purchase over $3.00 (almost every time I walk in the
>store), and then get the catalog FREE with the coupon.  That's the
>intent.  They're just trying to save a few bucks by not giving out the
>catalog to people who don't buy ANYTHING.

I picked up my catalog yesterday -- while there to buy something I saw on
sale (never pay list at the 'Shack -- it almost always ends up on sale if
you are patient!) and used the coupon, too.  Also got the 'free' flashlite
(yeah, they nicked me for the batteries -- but quantity discount of 10%
applied, since there were five cells!) and a part for a project I am working
on.  They didn't charge me for the catalog.

>Now, I guess, for those hams out there who just like to have the shack
>catalog to compare against or to say "yeah, there's a neat little
>toy," you now have to BUY SOMETHING to get it.  If you're not
>interested in "shopping" at R/S, then why do you need the catalog?
>-- Steve , KD4YLB  ... - . ...- .

Agree with you, Steve.  But those who complain about the charge for the
catalog are the same types that look offended when you offer a resonable
price for something they are hoping to sell at a major killing at the
next hamfest!  It takes all kinds...

73,  John WA8ZPF

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